# NEW X carve first upgrade, dust shields and Y-rail stiffening
**URL:** https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205
**Category:** Upgrades
**Created:** [January 1, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205 "2017-01-01T03:47:22Z")
**Posts on this page:** 12
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### Author:  [@FatKatOne](https://community.inventables.com/u/FatKatOne)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2017, 3:47am UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205/1 "2017-01-01T03:47:22Z")
OK so i was getting bad chatter on the X axis, I hope by doing this mod it will fix some of my issues…
 
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### Author:  [@RichWood](https://community.inventables.com/u/RichWood)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2017, 4:10am UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205/2 "2017-01-01T04:10:51Z")
Do you have the single piece wide maker rail on the x axis or the older two piece x axis? I just installed the single piece today and it made a significant difference in taking flex out of the x and z axis’.
Also what brackets are you using for your Y stiffening mod?
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### Author:  [@FatKatOne](https://community.inventables.com/u/FatKatOne)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2017, 4:14am UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205/3 "2017-01-01T04:14:38Z")
yes I have the new carve 2 but when the gantry is in the center of the rails i can still easily move it with 2 fingers I think 1000mm is just too long of a span for aluminum. The brackets are just some steel corner brackets 2.5"x2.5" from lowes , I cut them down and painted them black.
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### Author:  [@RichWood](https://community.inventables.com/u/RichWood)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2017, 4:38am UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205/4 "2017-01-01T04:38:29Z")
The brackets look nice. Very clean setup.
In regards to the chatter, I can’t imagine the y stiffening fixing that. I’ve also had chatter issues even with conservative feed and speeds. Especially through hardwood like oak and walnut. There is a sweet spot on the v wheels and delrin nut tightness that seems to do the trick.
I also replaced the washers that are in between the two bearings in each of my z axis wheels and that took a whole lot of slop out of them. If you try to twist your router side to side, you may see movement in the v-wheels or even hear and feel a pop. [From another thread, these are the washers I used - My local Home Depot had them in stock.](https://community.inventables.com/t/should-v-wheels-have-side-to-side-play-in-the-bearing/11237/23)
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### Author:  [@FatKatOne](https://community.inventables.com/u/FatKatOne)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2017, 4:45am UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205/5 "2017-01-01T04:45:06Z")
I just ran the first test after the mod and it was a success , i was milling a pocket in 1/4" birch plywood with a 1/8th compression endmill and it was chattering like crazy at 40 ipm , I just ran a similar job with 3/8 ply at 100 ipm with zero chatter its night and day , check out the post i made yesterday watch the video, I’m fixing to post a new video showing results in that thread.
> [@Ok first cut, what's going on?!?!](https://community.inventables.com/t/ok-first-cut-whats-going-on/32138):
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> So I’m trying to make clamps what’s all this chattering about it’s only in the x direction more do when it’s moving right … its kinda hard to “see” in the video but you can hear it. 1/4" birch plywood 40 ipm 1/8" compression bit Speed setting 2 on dewalt 611
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### Author:  [@RichWood](https://community.inventables.com/u/RichWood)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2017, 4:59am UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205/6 "2017-01-01T04:59:51Z")
Just watched your new vid at 100 ipm – wow that is a huge difference. I stand corrected 🙂
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### Author:  [@FatKatOne](https://community.inventables.com/u/FatKatOne)
#### Post date: [January 1, 2017, 5:10am UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205/7 "2017-01-01T05:10:58Z")
I’m rather pleased myself, cuts like butter!
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### Author:  [@JoeSleeman](https://community.inventables.com/u/JoeSleeman)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2017, 3:32am UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205/8 "2017-01-02T03:32:10Z")
Can we see how they are mounted behind the MDF?
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### Author:  [@FatKatOne](https://community.inventables.com/u/FatKatOne)
#### Post date: [January 2, 2017, 3:52am UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205/9 "2017-01-02T03:52:04Z")
I would have to unbolt the entire dust guard to show you, I used the same bolts to hold the brackets in place.
I used these, made sure my machine was as square as possible
[https://www.lowes.com/pd/Stanley-National-Hardware-2-5-in-Metallic-Corner-Brace/3037544#](https://www.lowes.com/pd/Stanley-National-Hardware-2-5-in-Metallic-Corner-Brace/3037544#)
I measured the rail divided it into 3 equal sections.
I drilled a hole and ran a bolt all the way through the rail I used nylon lock nuts, the part that is screwed down to the waster board was cut with a dremmel cut off wheel so it wouldn’t stick out so far
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### Author:  [@JoeSleeman](https://community.inventables.com/u/JoeSleeman)
#### Post date: [January 3, 2017, 1:52pm UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205/10 "2017-01-03T13:52:18Z")
Answers my question still, thank you. I wanted to know if you ran a bolt through or used t nuts
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### Author:  [@ColeDeblieck](https://community.inventables.com/u/ColeDeblieck)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2017, 11:08am UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205/11 "2017-01-09T11:08:20Z")
Did you only use the L brackets to stiffen the rails?
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### Author:  [@FatKatOne](https://community.inventables.com/u/FatKatOne)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://community.inventables.com/t/new-x-carve-first-upgrade-dust-shields-and-y-rail-stiffening/32205/12 "2017-01-09T14:07:16Z")
Yes , it’s seems to work really well .